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General Car Chat: Vintage Voltage - Anyone have any opinions on show or EV classics in general?

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Having a bit of time on my hands at the moment (due to my leg not working) I’ve found myself watching this program. I must admit I have mixed opinions about it, just wondered if anyone else had come across it and what thoughts they had (and would like to share).
Obviously I know there is a certain degree of interest in cars on this site and as we seem to have many members “of a certain age” I thought the idea of converting classics may result in some interesting opinions.
The other reason for the thread is I have too much time on my hands just now!


Total disclosure.
I have to admit at this point that I do consider myself a petrol head but don’t consider myself anti-EV, the only prejudices I have against EVs is the fact we’re being forced that way (if they were that good force/coercion would not be required) and when exponents of the technology make it out to be environmentally friendly.


Why mixed opinions?
Well, due to the nature of these programs, they have to insist on injecting plenty of jeopardy into the build but, of course, it all comes good in the end!
Of course that is just the TV program side of things but on the car builds my opinions are mixed because on the one hand it does demonstrate that electric is not a good way of driving a vehicle for daily use for many people however converting ‘classic’ cars makes things a bit easier in many cases apart from !!!!! (see later). I don’t imagine range is as important in this type of car and if you have to stop for a couple of hours in your Sunday afternoon drive for a charge it can probably planned in.
Also if you start off with a vehicle which is not very good then you don’t have too much to beat.

To illustrate this one example was a VW Beetle, as a hateful little car with bugger all performance you’d struggle to make it worse as an EV. In the example I say they used a motor equivalent to 120HP which is more than 3x the original engine’s performance, so while not being a wild ride is likely to have useable performance. On the downside it also required over 200KG of batteries to get a range of just over 100 miles (IIRC). The original car wouldn’t have had any ‘special’ equipment to convert but even though they converted the brakes from drum to disk I think I’d have like to see a servo in there given the extra weight and performance but all things considered it didn’t seem like a bad outcome if you like that sort of thing.


Now for the “apart from”!
Apparently the ‘conversion’ cost £45k, and this was based on trying to keep costs low as they were working with a guy who wanted to supply these as a business. There was some other remedial work required on the car, not a great deal but it did include £6k or paint. Wasn’t clear if this was included in the ‘conversion’ cost or additional (which I’d have thought it was) but given that they suggested that the ‘donor’ car would cost around £10k it seemed a bit on the pricey side to me for a relatively mundane ‘classic’.
Actually this probably isn’t the best car for me to comment on as I have to admit I hate the original with a passion but on the up side part of my aversion is due to that squeaky air-cooled engine which of course would be ‘solved’ by electrification.

I suppose if a higher spec’ type of car was chosen (something like an E type, Aston or Ferrari) the EV conversion cost may be a smaller proportion of the overall cost although I’d guess this would also be larger for this type of car as it would (probably) require higher power which then requires more batteries (weight as well as cost) and additional systems such as cooling and more complex charging.



Anyway just interested in opinions on electrification particularly when applied to classic vehicles.
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Hi GD,

I must admit that I quite liked some of the episodes of Vintage Voltage, but like you I have a deep-seated loathing for the VW Beetle. I have hated them since I was a small child, nearly 70 years ago and my feelings have never changed. The awful noise they make and the dreadful driving 'dynamics' (word used loosely, of course) simply compound the misery. Why on earth they had the cult-like following, especially in The USA, I shall never know...

The actual TV programme is reasonably entertaining, but the injected and affected "jeopardy" can be a little tiresome. My thoughts are that one would need a great deal of spare cash to warrant spending £50,000 upwards on electrifying a 'classic' - especially considering that the said 'classic' would no longer be a true classic without it's "classic" power plant!

My personal thoughts on current grid-fed, battery powered vehicles are not favourable, given the current lack of infrastructure and generation capacity. I do not believe that this tech is a viable or practical solution, other than a green-lobby, box-ticking panacea.

Besides, I love the smell of petrol!! ;)
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Sorry, not enthusiastic about converting any true classic car to an EV. My distaste for the Beetle too, is only marginally lower than Kevin's.

Can you imagine filling the Flying Scotsman's tender with batteries and propelling her electrically without the sight, sound and smell of steam. For me it would be a similar total loss of credibility.
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Hi Kev, thanks for chipping in.

Hi GD,

I must admit that I quite liked some of the episodes of Vintage Voltage, but like you I have a deep-seated loathing for the VW Beetle. I have hated them since I was a small child, nearly 70 years ago and my feelings have never changed. The awful noise they make and the dreadful driving 'dynamics' (word used loosely, of course) simply compound the misery. Why on earth they had the cult-like following, especially in The USA, I shall never know...
Wow, that is nearly word for word an opinion I expressed somewhere recently (May even be somewhere on this site) even down to the mention of the awful noise and that was when I was very young. Just proves that when something is right it is right and when it's wrong it's wrong.

I think when people refer to the 'cult' following they don't realise that was a spelling mistake.






The actual TV programme is reasonably entertaining, but the injected and affected "jeopardy" can be a little tiresome. My thoughts are that one would need a great deal of spare cash to warrant spending £50,000 upwards on electrifying a 'classic' - especially considering that the said 'classic' would no longer be a true classic without it's "classic" power plant!
Indeed, although it is the way of things with many/most TV programs these days, seems like the most common phrase from the voice-over is "But there's a problem!!!", so I can't level that at this program alone and of course this does not really relate to the activity of electrifying vehicles.
The £45-50k outlay alone takes this out of my domain, don't know where some folk get the money from.
I can however see some benefits, I agree the car is not original but for something which spends a lot of time in the garage I can see advangages of electric. Or more accurately the disadvantages of dino power.


My personal thoughts on current grid-fed, battery powered vehicles are not favourable, given the current lack of infrastructure and generation capacity. I do not believe that this tech is a viable or practical solution, other than a green-lobby, box-ticking panacea.
I agree on that, I can see that it can work for some, for instance many families run 2 cars (in fact between myself and my wife we run 3 and a motorbike) so an electric car for the short journeys would be fine, could charge at home and not have to rely on public infrastructure BUT I would not consider paying the price (£40k seems to be about the ball park) for something I'm only going to use for a handful of miles.
In terms of green credentials? Forget it, they are anything but.

Besides, I love the smell of petrol!! ;)
Well yes, but that's a given :cool:
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Sorry, not enthusiastic about converting any true classic car to an EV. My distaste for the Beetle too, is only marginally lower than Kevin's.

Can you imagine filling the Flying Scotsman's tender with batteries and propelling her electrically without the sight, sound and smell of steam. For me it would be a similar total loss of credibility.
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I agree with that on some levels, for instance a electron powered AC Cobra (or more acurately a non-V8 powered one) just wouldn't cut it. But some make a little sense. For instance today they did a Porshe 944, the loss of that engine would not be a big problem and I could imagine that being a reasonable car to drive and live with. OK it had 22 batteries (apparently these are 25kg each so just over a half ton penalty!) but they managed to fit the motor and 6 of the betteries in the space where the trans-axle was before, the rest fitted in the engine bay so it was one of the better conversions they've done (IMHO) and with 300HP could be quite 'interesting' to drive and easier to live with than a petrol version in many ways.

Those 22 batteries give 48KWh which apparently was good for 150 miles, bit disappointing as I've been told the range should be 3-4 times the KWh value, that was closer to 3 than 4 when you consider that over 1/3 of the weight was EV components that doesn't seem too good.
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GDCobra said:
"I think when people refer to the 'cult' following they don't realise that was a spelling mistake."

Love that!! 😆
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Hi GD....

I'll keep it short but can't see why you'd want to convert a 'classic' to EV at the cost of £45K...(just buy a new EV it would be cheaper!)...
As I hate the Beetle (and used to take great delight in chopping them up in a previous employment) why would you give it 3x the performance when the damn things didn't handle anyway!
No...the idea doesn't sit well with me, and a few videos on You tube showing the hassle charging an EV anywhere but home, range anxiety etc etc, add to that I like engines that go 'Brum Brum'....rather than sound like a food processor!!.... 😁
So it's a huge no to EV from me....
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Well, from what I can gather from this (thus far) short thread, those of us here have nothing but disdain for the VW Beetle! In fact the mixed descriptions include the words, "hateful"..."loathing"..."distaste"..."hate"...🤔

Many years ago my sister had two of these little monsters, one after the other (followed by a Morris 1100 and two Allegros, but that's another horror story!!) The first one was so corroded and she was such a poor owner-driver that it was totally neglected and it simply fell apart and had to be scrapped. The second ill-fated bug was being driven by her, flat out as usual, along the Reading bypass when there was "a sudden, massive explosion from the rear" (her description).

When the "very nice" AA patrol man arrived, all that remained of the engine was a piece of crankcase attached to the bell housing and a couple of smaller pieces attached to the engine mountings!! Passing traffic could be heard driving over the ejected debris for hundreds of yards back!!
My poor Dad sourced a replacement used motor for her car and did the swap for her. I came up from Devon to Hertfordshire to do the final tuning and fettling, but when I drove the thing...dear God! What a complete and utter piece of **** it was!

My memory of that 'drive' will never leave me, despite being 45 years ago. I built up sufficient courage to finally get into the hideous little monster, only to find that the seat had collapsed, so I sat in it like Chad, peering over the huge steering wheel! It started up with more than the usual clatter, firing on two or three cylinders and ejecting sparks from the blowing exhaust, like a small, angry, Aryan dragon!! I ventured out onto the A10 Hoddesdon bypass, only to discover, with horror, that the brakes only worked on one side!!!!!!

I limped the horrible contraption back to my parents house and handed it over to my sister, who said, "oh yes, the brakes have always been like that---I'm used to it now" (Me--->😱!!!) I rushed back to Devon leaving my poor Dad to try to get it into some kind of shape for her and evidently she drove it for many months after that before destroying that engine as well!!!🤦‍♂️

'Strength Through Joy'... eh?... Really? 🙆‍♂️
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[PS: I remember that feeling of utter foreboding when I got into that awful vehicle---a vehicle which had frightened me as a baby and which has continued to fill me with a pathological, Freudian dread ever since!!]
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My Uncle had a beetle when I was a youngster and he took us for a ride to the lake district in it, it was the one and only time I have ever been in one and it was the only time in my entire life that I was travel sick.
When I left school to become an apprentice mechanic (1963) there weren't that many around but we had a customer with one and I can remember it coming in for a short service as per book and all it said was inflates tyres, inflate screenwasher bottle and that was it, it didn't even say check engine oil and I remember the price was 7/6d. I still remember it 60yrs later.
I have always refrained from voicing my opinion of them as I know too many people who are fans of them.
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I find that people who like beetles usually like Citroen 2cv's but I'll say no more for fear of upsetting someone and I wouldn't want that even thougfh I I've had to put up with my Dagenham dustbins for 57yrs.
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I find that people who like beetles usually like Citroen 2cv's but I'll say no more for fear of upsetting someone and I wouldn't want that even thougfh I I've had to put up with my Dagenham dustbins for 57yrs.
I agree, Bill -- that's usually the case isn't it -- but strangely I like the 2CV in a minimalistic, quirky kind of way! 🤭 I'd have one if they weren't so ridiculously expensive.
Putting on my Xenophobe's hat, aren't we now talking about those weird people that buy Citroens, Saabs, Renaults, Ladas, Volvos and other strange foreign vehicles to which a minimum £750pa VED should be applied ? :p
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I must admit I felt a bit out of order name calling the Beetle, obviously I hate them but we all drive what we like and they obviously do have a following, seems like MX-5 drivers don't like them.
With that in mind I'll broaden it a bit, personally I don't like any of the so called "Peoples cars", Beetles, 2CVs, Mini's, Fiat 500s - Did I miss any?
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With that in mind I'll broaden it a bit, personally I don't like any of the so called "Peoples cars", Beetles, 2CVs, Mini's, Fiat 500s - Did I miss any?
My mate had an original 'Mini' and while we did lots of miles in it (1300 Gt engine and many tuning goodies) I wasn't keen and found it cramped and uncomfortable....Driving it was even worse!
My step-father promised me a Fiat 500 when I was about 17 to learn in but I never got it....I imagined it as cramped as the Mini so didn't feel at a loss.
The only other cars I disliked were the BL Marina and Allegro....

Like Bill I was brought up on many 'Dagenham Dustbins' and was a 'Ford man' until 2006, (when I finally parted with my Mondeo Si 4x4) ...although I wasn't a fan of the small engined Capris 1300/1600.....But loved Mk1 and Mk2 Escorts (for simplicity) and the Mk2 and Mk3 Granada.
While your list pretty much covers it, I had a Reliant Robin (stop laughing) but I won't slate them as it was warm and comfy unlike the motorbike in winter! 😁
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My mate had an original 'Mini' and while we did lots of miles in it (1300 Gt engine and many tuning goodies) I wasn't keen and found it cramped and uncomfortable....Driving it was even worse!
My step-father promised me a Fiat 500 when I was about 17 to learn in but I never got it....I imagined it as cramped as the Mini so didn't feel at a loss.
The only other cars I disliked were the BL Marina and Allegro....

Like Bill I was brought up on many 'Dagenham Dustbins' and was a 'Ford man' until 2006, (when I finally parted with my Mondeo Si 4x4) ...although I wasn't a fan of the small engined Capris 1300/1600.....But loved Mk1 and Mk2 Escorts (for simplicity) and the Mk2 and Mk3 Granada.
While your list pretty much covers it, I had a Reliant Robin (stop laughing) but I won't slate them as it was warm and comfy unlike the motorbike in winter! 😁
My first car was a Marina, you were quite right to dislike it!
I followed this with a series of Cortinas, MK4 & 5 (the 5 was a 2.3 V6), I wanted a Granada but never quite got there.
I didn't include the Reliant as I don't really think of it as being a car, not enough wheels, but it goes without saying they are/were garbage.
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Regarding the question of converting petrol engined classic cars into EV's I believe that this is an acceptable compromise:

Motor vehicle Automotive battery Automotive design Auto part Electrical wiring
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Regarding the question of converting petro engined classic cars into EV's I believe that this is an acceptable compromise:
Better than a Mercedes AA class.
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